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Shadowmoon · Nov 10, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

/no sign
Not a exploit, only thing close to a exploit is the HFF. but normal FFF does not abuse any of the game machanics.
If they really want to stop HFF, boost the stupid Blessing and AB rewards.
IF Ab gave 5k for win in enemy territory, or the blessing gave 20 points per kill in HM these would be more feasable than FFF.

glountz · Nov 10, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

/no sign
HM these would be more feasable than FFF.

Agree. Vainquishing Cantha should net you big faction.
/disagree on nerfing FFF.

Nyktos · Nov 10, 2007, 06:15 PM // 18:15

/notsigned

As others have said, the better solution is to increase the reward for other methods of faction gain.

skanvak · Nov 11, 2007, 10:41 PM // 22:41

Increasing the reward from AB is not really the solution (thought it as been done twice).

Because if AB and HM famring become too good, then the FFF repeatable quest become useless. May be this quest is broken and should be removed. But globally all the repeatable quest are not done regularly.

So increasing reward of AB/aspenwood (which will fit me a lot and make sense as these are the real action helping the war effort) will make all repeatable quest worstless (what they already seem to be).

So well, may be I'ill be happy with a doubling of AB/aspenwood reward point (may add some gold too to reward pvp player in gold too). Thought I stay with my first opinion that FFF is just exploiting the game.

R_Frost · Nov 11, 2007, 11:04 PM // 23:04

you can increase the rewards all you want for AB and Aspenwood to try and make it more attractive then FFF but when you can gain more faction doing FFF in the same amount of time it usually takes to wait and do just one AB or Aspenwood battle the problem isnt FFF its the game mechanics for AB and Aspenwood. if you dont like FFF then dont do it.

skanvak · Nov 12, 2007, 11:42 AM // 11:42

" If you don't like FFF, don't do it"
That is not the point. As someone pointed rightly before. It makes the Kurzick title worthless. It is other people doing it that damaged our effort.

May be doing a special AB title would be the solution.

Drage · Nov 12, 2007, 01:00 PM // 13:00

/notsign

FFF is a easy way to earn Kurzick Titles fast. AB is to slow for that and sometimes the loading times are very annoying.

FFF you can do always and even with hero's. Why nerf is, it is a easy way to earn some money and you find a crapload of chest on your way.

Abnaxus · Nov 12, 2007, 01:40 PM // 13:40

I agree with the OP that Kurz/Lux allegiance should be obtained through PvP battles, not PvE quests.

But the real problem for me are the PvE only skills. Despite the fact that those skills are unusable in PvP, they're tied to a basically PvP activity.

So, for those who never PvP like me, there would be no way to get them.

I consider skills the most important aspect of the game.
Normal, elite or PvE only skills, I spend my time to acquire them and possibly maximizing the effect.

Nighfall and EoTN already provide tons of PvE skills, anyway the process to maximize their effect requires a reasonable amount of time.
In my experience, LB/SS requires a couple of weeks with the hours that I play each day, of course there are people who play 12 hours a day and do it in 2 days, but I play for fun and have other things to do.
Two weeks is reasonable to me.

Luxon and Kurzick PvE skills on the other hand, require an effort in term of time which is 2 or 3 magnitude order higher.
This because their learning curve is that of a PvP title.

I've spent some hours doing HFF basically because I wanted LS on one of my characters, and I found I was able to make 10k points in 45-50 mins.
This means that maximizing the skills requires more or less 1.000 hours, that to me are an equivalent of nearly 2 years, spent only placing flags on the map.
Totally unreasonable.

My suggestion would be to

- unlink those skills from allegiance rank
- make them character based like all other PvE skills
- consequently tune the learning curve to require a time to max comparable to all other PvE skills.

Only after that it would be possible to take any action regarding FFF or HFF.

HawkofStorms · Nov 12, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by skanvak

" If you don't like FFF, don't do it"
That is not the point. As someone pointed rightly before. It makes the Kurzick title worthless. It is other people doing it that damaged our effort.

May be doing a special AB title would be the solution.

The title is already worthless now that they doubled the rate you can get it (via transfering to the guild 5k now gets you 10k in the title).

Smile Like Umean It · Nov 12, 2007, 04:11 PM // 16:11

Three pages and I have yet to see a valid reason.

/notsigned

Entreri · Nov 13, 2007, 08:41 AM // 08:41

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Originally Posted by Smile Like Umean It

Three pages and I have yet to see a valid reason.

/notsigned

Someone who constantly runs from fights and gets slaughtered repeatedly shouldn't be known as 'Savior of the Kurzicks'. A title is something your character is known for. It's like if you got the title 'Deadly Gladiator' for spamming in Lions Arch. Or you got the 'Drunkard' title for eating those bean cake things. Or you were known as 'Defender of Ascalon' cause you got pwnt down lots by some low level charr in presearing.

Perhaps that last one is a bad example.

Anyway, they should have detected this early and changed the max title for FFF to 'Kurzick Suicide Squad' or something. Cause the only noteworthy thing you are doing in FFF is running and dying. In Hard Mode and AB at least you have to kill a couple Kurzick enemies.

Skyy High · Nov 13, 2007, 07:24 PM // 19:24

Since when do titles have to make sense? If I buy and ID 10k gold items, that doesn't make me wise or even remotely knowledgeable about game mechanics, yet I'm a "Source of Wisdom". If I buy a couple million gold worth of tickets, and lose all of them on 9 rings, how does that make me both Lucky AND Unlucky? If I do the Remains of Sahlaja run 30 times to get max SS and LB rank, have I really "proven" myself to be a great Sunspear and Lightbringer? Arguing to close something because it doesn't make sense in a FANTASY game is silly.

Smile Like Umean It · Nov 13, 2007, 09:11 PM // 21:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Entreri

Someone who constantly runs from fights and gets slaughtered repeatedly shouldn't be known as 'Savior of the Kurzicks'. A title is something your character is known for. It's like if you got the title 'Deadly Gladiator' for spamming in Lions Arch. Or you got the 'Drunkard' title for eating those bean cake things. Or you were known as 'Defender of Ascalon' cause you got pwnt down lots by some low level charr in presearing.

Perhaps that last one is a bad example.

Anyway, they should have detected this early and changed the max title for FFF to 'Kurzick Suicide Squad' or something. Cause the only noteworthy thing you are doing in FFF is running and dying. In Hard Mode and AB at least you have to kill a couple Kurzick enemies.

I don't know who you're talking about, but I've never had to run from anyone or die the times I've tried doing FFF.

And no, you aren't being know as SotK for running away. You get the faction by doing deeds for the Kurzicks. Pure and simple. How you decide to do the deed, unless it's truly negatively impacting the game as a whole, is of no consequence.

Zahr Dalsk · Nov 13, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18

/notsigned

It doesn't harm anyone.

Hott Bill · Nov 13, 2007, 09:38 PM // 21:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by skanvak

((I made a search and only a complain topic got out))

The FFF is not an acceptable way of gainning faction point and it is an obvious exploit of the system. The last time I tried it, it was done with 3 heroes so that people only have to sit and wait.

Why is it an exploit : because the quest is validated before the quest is even taken. Therefore the aim of the quest is NOT really fulfilled. The luxons/Kurzick that should spawn and be wipe out are simply avoid.

As the people don't do the mission technically they are not helping their faction, they are stealing the point. They don't contribute to moving the fontier BUT are the most rewarded for no effort.

How to nerf it : quite simple, the quest should update only after it is taken, theirfore the ennemy will spawn making it harder to run. Finally, a point should be validated only if the ennemy that spawn are killed. This way it would not be possible to run the quest, that is only fair.

If playing the game resume to sit and do something else while people farm for you, the title is meaningless => less willing to play. I mean this is a real problem!

Best regards,

Skanvak
Lord of "La maison des Drakkens"

Edited by Celestial Beaver: Title Clarified

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I'm going to take a wild guess and say you're a Luxon, if you are, all Luxons need to stop complaining about FFFing, it is a highly effective way of gaining faction towards your title, don't like it? Join a kurzick guild.

Let's nerf this too, it's a FFF too.
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Te...l_Faction_Farm

Or this, it's a fast way of getting a title (Stygian Veil for Lightbringer points)
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:R/...peed_Trap_Solo

Need I say more?

/notsigned

Dev121 · Nov 13, 2007, 10:01 PM // 22:01

/Nothsigned

This titles are for no-lifers as it is, make them even harder will make them even lamer. The title limit for these should be 1 Million max, until then this should stay because noone cares about these crappy titles and the amber price sucks now anyway so dont worry.

Drop of Fear · Nov 13, 2007, 10:52 PM // 22:52

boring, but way late to close this now.
1 year and a half ppl have been farming points like this. not fair to prevent other ppl to get their "fast" saviours now.

fff should stay. boost faction rewards for killing foes in hard mode.
or even better. add a big faction bonus once u succesfully complete a vanquish.

ex: now -> vanquishing gyala hatchery gives around 4200-4500 points
with the boost -> double the points gained in the map once the vanquish is completed.

rushing a vanquish would be as fast as fff

Nyktos · Nov 13, 2007, 10:55 PM // 22:55

What really needs to be buffed is Blessing of the Kurzicks. You can make AB as attractive as you want, and there will still be plenty of PvE players who will never touch it.

Vann Borakul · Nov 13, 2007, 11:02 PM // 23:02

Faction titles already got f***ed over when they decided to double your points when you submit. Don't let something similar happen again.

/notsigned

mojave mango juice · Nov 14, 2007, 12:46 AM // 00:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

Since when do titles have to make sense? If I buy and ID 10k gold items, that doesn't make me wise or even remotely knowledgeable about game mechanics, yet I'm a "Source of Wisdom". If I buy a couple million gold worth of tickets, and lose all of them on 9 rings, how does that make me both Lucky AND Unlucky? If I do the Remains of Sahlaja run 30 times to get max SS and LB rank, have I really "proven" myself to be a great Sunspear and Lightbringer? Arguing to close something because it doesn't make sense in a FANTASY game is silly.

QFT.

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To the OP:

The question you need to ask yourself is, how is this affecting you? So some people get the Savior of the Kurzicks title. It doesn't affect you in any negative way. If anything, you could say it is positive because it got you a few extra minutes of favor.

Someone mentioned earlier that it's a good group activity. People actually enjoy FFFing. There's whole guilds of people who enjoy it. Just stand in Lutgardis ID1 sometime. Sure, it's not everyone's cup of tea, but there are plenty of people out there who have fun with it.

And if this way of earning faction is removed, is it going to affect the people who already earned the title? Nope. They're not going to lose their titles.

If you don't like FFF, there's plenty of other ways to earn your title. Do some ABs (I do agree there needs to be something done about the wait times, though). Or maybe some Aspenwood. Or you could run around outside and kill things. FFF isn't the only way to earn a faction title.

/notsigned